Comments on: The Politics Of Honoring Community Heroes: Sonny Carson’s 4 Blocks http://www.bedstuyblog.com/2007/04/the-politics-of-honoring-community-heroes-sonny-carsons-4-blocks/ Bedford, Stuyvesant Heights & Tompkins Park North Sat, 02 Jul 2011 13:25:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: Blackmensmovement http://www.bedstuyblog.com/2007/04/the-politics-of-honoring-community-heroes-sonny-carsons-4-blocks/comment-page-1/#comment-5845 Blackmensmovement Fri, 16 May 2008 19:12:14 +0000 http://www.bedstuyblog.com/2007/04/23/the-politics-of-honoring-community-heroes-sonny-carsons-4-blocks/#comment-5845 To the guest who is ignorant with facts and missing with content: Slavery never existed anywhere on the planet like it has under the hands of white racist like you. In fact in certain parts of Africa their is no word for slavery. Bed Sty is being re colonized ,genrafided and exploited by KKKackas who talk the same BS like what appears in your words. Al Sharpton does not rep the majority of Black folk. "Black folk should retun to Liberia", no maybe you should go back to Europ. You have killed countless Native Americans and Africans, and bring with you all over the world death and destruction of the land. Wake up and smell your own devilish Sh...t. To the guest who is ignorant with facts and missing with content: Slavery never existed anywhere on the planet like it has under the hands of white racist like you. In fact in certain parts of Africa their is no word for slavery. Bed Sty is being re colonized ,genrafided and exploited by KKKackas who talk the same BS like what appears in your words. Al Sharpton does not rep the majority of Black folk.
“Black folk should retun to Liberia”, no maybe you should go back to Europ. You have killed countless Native Americans and Africans, and bring with you all over the world death and destruction of the land. Wake up and smell your own devilish Sh…t.

]]> By: guest http://www.bedstuyblog.com/2007/04/the-politics-of-honoring-community-heroes-sonny-carsons-4-blocks/comment-page-1/#comment-5832 guest Fri, 16 May 2008 13:23:44 +0000 http://www.bedstuyblog.com/2007/04/23/the-politics-of-honoring-community-heroes-sonny-carsons-4-blocks/#comment-5832 Folks, slavery existed in every corner of the world in one form or another. As for Africa,when tribes went to war, the losing tribe became slaves of the winning tribe. The tribes that lived on the coast often went to the interior of Africa to capture and sell their captives to Europeans. So before you point the blame to others, please make sure you have the right facts. As for renaming the streets, it should reflect the choice of the people living there as one of the post says. Bed Stuy is not a black neighborhood anymore as there are lot of different people moving in. There were lot of people who were against slavery and were punished for their beliefs but you don't seem to know or remember them. Sonny Carson was a gang member and he used fear and violence to enforce his beliefs. Dr. King was also a man who stood behind his belief but he didn't use violence. As for going back to Africa - there is Liberia which was created for slaves who wanted to return to their ancestral lands. If you feel you are not treated fairly, you can always leave but you choose not to and you choose not to assimilate. Black communities do not encourage breaking the cycle of poverty and mistreatments. If one black person strives to do better, he or she is called white. How is that productive or helpful? How is living in a neighborhood that has no basic amenities ok? Its good to be proud of your family history and fight for all the wrongs that have been done to you. But the way you fight also has a major impact. When you use race as a default argument for everything, it becomes a stale argument after a while. Where is Al Sharpton when a black person kills another black person? Why isn't he voicing his anger and frustration on Black on Black crime? Folks, slavery existed in every corner of the world in one form or another. As for Africa,when tribes went to war, the losing tribe became slaves of the winning tribe. The tribes that lived on the coast often went to the interior of Africa to capture and sell their captives to Europeans. So before you point the blame to others, please make sure you have the right facts. As for renaming the streets, it should reflect the choice of the people living there as one of the post says. Bed Stuy is not a black neighborhood anymore as there are lot of different people moving in. There were lot of people who were against slavery and were punished for their beliefs but you don’t seem to know or remember them. Sonny Carson was a gang member and he used fear and violence to enforce his beliefs. Dr. King was also a man who stood behind his belief but he didn’t use violence. As for going back to Africa – there is Liberia which was created for slaves who wanted to return to their ancestral lands. If you feel you are not treated fairly, you can always leave but you choose not to and you choose not to assimilate. Black communities do not encourage breaking the cycle of poverty and mistreatments. If one black person strives to do better, he or she is called white. How is that productive or helpful? How is living in a neighborhood that has no basic amenities ok? Its good to be proud of your family history and fight for all the wrongs that have been done to you. But the way you fight also has a major impact. When you use race as a default argument for everything, it becomes a stale argument after a while. Where is Al Sharpton when a black person kills another black person? Why isn’t he voicing his anger and frustration on Black on Black crime?

]]> By: Blackmensmovement http://www.bedstuyblog.com/2007/04/the-politics-of-honoring-community-heroes-sonny-carsons-4-blocks/comment-page-1/#comment-5804 Blackmensmovement Thu, 15 May 2008 05:45:55 +0000 http://www.bedstuyblog.com/2007/04/23/the-politics-of-honoring-community-heroes-sonny-carsons-4-blocks/#comment-5804 In honor of Sonny Abubadika Carson, There will be a program at Restoration Plaza, on Tuesday May 20,2008. Full info is available on youtube video; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtUSHs5AWio In honor of Sonny Abubadika Carson, There will be a program at Restoration Plaza, on Tuesday May 20,2008. Full info is available on youtube video; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtUSHs5AWio

]]> By: Leo http://www.bedstuyblog.com/2007/04/the-politics-of-honoring-community-heroes-sonny-carsons-4-blocks/comment-page-1/#comment-907 Leo Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:58:45 +0000 http://www.bedstuyblog.com/2007/04/23/the-politics-of-honoring-community-heroes-sonny-carsons-4-blocks/#comment-907 Dubya, you are so far from the truth you are floating. Dubya, you are so far from the truth you are floating.

]]> By: gw http://www.bedstuyblog.com/2007/04/the-politics-of-honoring-community-heroes-sonny-carsons-4-blocks/comment-page-1/#comment-879 gw Wed, 27 Jun 2007 02:22:27 +0000 http://www.bedstuyblog.com/2007/04/23/the-politics-of-honoring-community-heroes-sonny-carsons-4-blocks/#comment-879 So, no response from Leo. You cannot argue with the truth. But, as Henry Clay (who ran for president a number of times),"I would rather be right then be president." One of his principles that he thought he was right was the principle that slavery was immoral. He didn't become president. Truth, seemingly, never works. It is better to skirt around the truth as the CrownHeightsGraduate and Leo do so well. What has gone before is either right or wrong. If it is wrong, it does not justify wrong behavior today. So, no response from Leo. You cannot argue with the truth. But, as Henry Clay (who ran for president a number of times),”I would rather be right then be president.” One of his principles that he thought he was right was the principle that slavery was immoral. He didn’t become president. Truth, seemingly, never works. It is better to skirt around the truth as the CrownHeightsGraduate and Leo do so well. What has gone before is either right or wrong. If it is wrong, it does not justify wrong behavior today.

]]> By: michael http://www.bedstuyblog.com/2007/04/the-politics-of-honoring-community-heroes-sonny-carsons-4-blocks/comment-page-1/#comment-728 michael Sun, 17 Jun 2007 02:17:31 +0000 http://www.bedstuyblog.com/2007/04/23/the-politics-of-honoring-community-heroes-sonny-carsons-4-blocks/#comment-728 Hi Bed Stuy... I ALSO noticed no 'wikipedia' page for Sonny Carson. Will there be one soon ? PS - I'm a white dude, but there should be more public info on this controversial New Yorker. Hi Bed Stuy…

I ALSO noticed no ‘wikipedia’ page for Sonny Carson.

Will there be one soon ?

PS – I’m a white dude, but there should be more public info on this controversial New Yorker.

]]> By: CrownHeightsGraduate http://www.bedstuyblog.com/2007/04/the-politics-of-honoring-community-heroes-sonny-carsons-4-blocks/comment-page-1/#comment-632 CrownHeightsGraduate Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:40:26 +0000 http://www.bedstuyblog.com/2007/04/23/the-politics-of-honoring-community-heroes-sonny-carsons-4-blocks/#comment-632 Yes Michael, I remember that concept, love... Dr. King tried that out. Remember where it landed him? Assassinated. Pro change should be celebrated not vilified. Sure Sonny Carson was a radical, but we (Africans living in America) needed someone to wake us up after being sesile for so long. I may be to young to know about Mr. Carsons good and bad deeds, and so, unfortunately I have to go by what I read. However, Ive had to go by what I read when it came to many white politicians and leaders that are hailed as heroes as well. In my community, Sonny Carson is a hero. Less than 2 blocks away from my home a young black boy was hit by a car and left to die while the white man that hit him was whisked away in an ambulance to tend to his minor injuries. Some of you elders may remember that as the Crown Heights riots. That sounds like as good as a reason as any to be infuriated with the situation in your community and to do all that you can to make sure that youre PEOPLE let their anger be known. Sonny Carson did that for my community and if her were still alive I would thank him. In a previous post, a man by the name of Jim stated, if the blacks hate whites so much why dont they just go back to Africa? In 2007, for that statement to be made, its scary. Jim, if Africa hadnt been raped by your ancestors and plagued by the many diseases and filth that YOUR ancestors left there, maybe we would still be there. But then again, that wouldnt be any fun. How else would we take your jobs and education,"products and goods" take them and make them 10 times better and sell them back to you? Its just so much more rewarding to do it in your face. The point is should the street be named after a man like Sonny Carson? Visit the stuy and see the population first hand. Ask who the hell Kosciuzsko is and when all you get is blank stares, ask who Sonny Carson is and get your answer. P.S Leroy Comrie- you should be ashamed of yourself. Why abstain? You come up to my predominantly black school (York College CUNY) and try to convince us that you support us students and the issues important to us, but then when it comes to showing and proving it- you abstain. I guess we're only allies when its convenient to you. By the way, missed you at graduation. Im telling! Yes Michael, I remember that concept, love… Dr. King tried that out. Remember where it landed him? Assassinated. Pro change should be celebrated not vilified. Sure Sonny Carson was a radical, but we (Africans living in America) needed someone to wake us up after being sesile for so long. I may be to young to know about Mr. Carsons good and bad deeds, and so, unfortunately I have to go by what I read. However, Ive had to go by what I read when it came to many white politicians and leaders that are hailed as heroes as well. In my community, Sonny Carson is a hero. Less than 2 blocks away from my home a young black boy was hit by a car and left to die while the white man that hit him was whisked away in an ambulance to tend to his minor injuries. Some of you elders may remember that as the Crown Heights riots. That sounds like as good as a reason as any to be infuriated with the situation in your community and to do all that you can to make sure that youre PEOPLE let their anger be known. Sonny Carson did that for my community and if her were still alive I would thank him. In a previous post, a man by the name of Jim stated, if the blacks hate whites so much why dont they just go back to Africa? In 2007, for that statement to be made, its scary. Jim, if Africa hadnt been raped by your ancestors and plagued by the many diseases and filth that YOUR ancestors left there, maybe we would still be there. But then again, that wouldnt be any fun. How else would we take your jobs and education,”products and goods” take them and make them 10 times better and sell them back to you? Its just so much more rewarding to do it in your face. The point is should the street be named after a man like Sonny Carson? Visit the stuy and see the population first hand. Ask who the hell Kosciuzsko is and when all you get is blank stares, ask who Sonny Carson is and get your answer.

P.S
Leroy Comrie- you should be ashamed of yourself. Why abstain? You come up to my predominantly black school (York College CUNY) and try to convince us that you support us students and the issues important to us, but then when it comes to showing and proving it- you abstain. I guess we’re only allies when its convenient to you. By the way, missed you at graduation. Im telling!

]]> By: gw http://www.bedstuyblog.com/2007/04/the-politics-of-honoring-community-heroes-sonny-carsons-4-blocks/comment-page-1/#comment-572 gw Tue, 05 Jun 2007 00:06:13 +0000 http://www.bedstuyblog.com/2007/04/23/the-politics-of-honoring-community-heroes-sonny-carsons-4-blocks/#comment-572 I apologize, my response is posted I apologize, my response is posted

]]> By: gw http://www.bedstuyblog.com/2007/04/the-politics-of-honoring-community-heroes-sonny-carsons-4-blocks/comment-page-1/#comment-571 gw Tue, 05 Jun 2007 00:05:26 +0000 http://www.bedstuyblog.com/2007/04/23/the-politics-of-honoring-community-heroes-sonny-carsons-4-blocks/#comment-571 I sent a response but apparently I am being blocked. Not surprising I sent a response but apparently I am being blocked. Not surprising

]]> By: gw http://www.bedstuyblog.com/2007/04/the-politics-of-honoring-community-heroes-sonny-carsons-4-blocks/comment-page-1/#comment-570 gw Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:48:13 +0000 http://www.bedstuyblog.com/2007/04/23/the-politics-of-honoring-community-heroes-sonny-carsons-4-blocks/#comment-570 Leo, You don't even know, or choose not to address the subject of "The strip". Just more cute retorts. You cannot get out of the past to justify the present. Sonny had 'less' blood on his hands? Those historical figures formed a nation and set in stone ideals, which weren't lived up to but America is always going forward. Sonny formed nothing. When I was a boy, you couldn't walk around Eastern Parkway because of the gang activity of: The Bishops, The Chaplains, The Hilltoppers etc. Sonny was part of the Bishops. His strength came from surrounding himself with thugs. He never changed. Right up until the time of his death you could not walk into his Brooklyn office without first having to pass by a number of "associates" surrounding him. Till the day he died, he never gave up the gang mentality which he was raised on and honed in prison. Those who deferred to him, received his favor. The Barron's and the Vann's and I am sure you. He never had a big following but as I stated before, FEAR and HATE can motivate. History has tales about these type of people. In the end, you do not honor them, you tear down their symbols whether they be Nazisms or communism, etc. And never, as you have done and the believers of above, answer a posed question. Make sure you answer the question with something which means nothing, like "your fake ass" and pretend that it makes you intelligent. And always remember that the best defense is an offense. Don't answer the question, attack the questioneer. Way to go Leo. Keep it up. You will make a good politician with no honesty, integrity or guts. Leo, You don’t even know, or choose not to address the subject of “The strip”. Just more cute retorts. You cannot get out of the past to justify the present. Sonny had ‘less’ blood on his hands? Those historical figures formed a nation and set in stone ideals, which weren’t lived up to but America is always going forward. Sonny formed nothing. When I was a boy, you couldn’t walk around Eastern Parkway because of the gang activity of: The Bishops, The Chaplains, The Hilltoppers etc. Sonny was part of the Bishops. His strength came from surrounding himself with thugs. He never changed. Right up until the time of his death you could not walk into his Brooklyn office without first having to pass by a number of “associates” surrounding him. Till the day he died, he never gave up the gang mentality which he was raised on and honed in prison. Those who deferred to him, received his favor. The Barron’s and the Vann’s and I am sure you. He never had a big following but as I stated before, FEAR and HATE can motivate. History has tales about these type of people. In the end, you do not honor them, you tear down their symbols whether they be Nazisms or communism, etc. And never, as you have done and the believers of above, answer a posed question. Make sure you answer the question with something which means nothing, like “your fake ass” and pretend that it makes you intelligent. And always remember that the best defense is an offense. Don’t answer the question, attack the questioneer. Way to go Leo. Keep it up. You will make a good politician with no honesty, integrity or guts.

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